Vaporware?

"JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t" (jawzx2) 06/25/2015 at 21:27 • Filed to: None

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tromoly > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 06/25/2015 at 21:52

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Probably. 3D sintered Aluminum in that quantity is expensive. And I have concerns over the “chassis” passing any safety regulations.

Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 06/25/2015 at 22:22

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700 hp propelling that thing to 60 mph in 2.2 seconds? I don’t see it happening, without it flopping about in the process.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 06/26/2015 at 12:52

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Interesting.

Fresh thinking is always welcomed, when the premise is sound.

It isn’t prime time, but everything has to start somewhere.

Fresh thinking leads to creativity, and creativity leads to paradigm shifts.

Henry Ford is credited with once saying that if he asked what everyone wanted, rather than just building an affordable automobile, they would have said “a faster horse.”

A faster car is one thing... fresh thinking is the NEXT thing.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 06/26/2015 at 12:54

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this is what Apple used to do when Steve Jobs was still alive...

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 06/26/2015 at 15:11

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Preaching to the Apple-supporting IT-crowd choir, here, buddy.

The fall-off in innovation in the tech industry in general, Apple as a leader specifically, and the automotive industry, as well, are both troubling.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 06/26/2015 at 15:35

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let me link you to something I wrote a while ago....

Something.

BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 06/26/2015 at 15:59

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I read that, and have posted similar points myself in the past.

In addition to Dodd-Frank and other regulatory reactions to the 2008 crash that emphasizes short term reporting and focus in banking, and all other finance, it is also endemic to over-regulation of the Automotive industry, as well as the stagnation of automotive decision-making from the executive level.

If it doesn’t have the capability of being a block-buster, or isn’t already an established market segment that is known to be profitable, automakers aren’t interested.

CAFE regulations keep costing money, and putting engineering pressure on fuel economy focus, and federalization and crash-testing keeps dictating design and costing tens of millions of dollars per model, without type-certifications to apply to all variants of any given platform.

If a car doesn’t keep to what works, and what is profitable, it costs too much money to be innovative, and risk that innovation falling on it’s face, either by a flawed premise, or more usually what happens, is flawed execution of a decent premise...

The american consumers don’t have the discretionary income to be care free about the cars they buy anymore, either... and buy fewer cars per household, and keep the cars they own much longer, and don’t turn over to newer cars nearly as often. That reduction in demand has only partially returned, not fully after 2008, and even the 2002-07 decent times were not as big as the economic prosperity of the mid-80s through the late 1990s, when households had money to spend.

Between tighter demand, tighter and more strict regulations, tighter reigns in the financial sector from companies to banks, as well as companies and banks to stock holders, an all of them to government regulators... there isn’t the freedom of movement and risk to innovate.

the automotive industry, and the tech industry perhaps to a lesser extent, and most other industries also, are tacitly being strangled into submission by economic implications of over-regulation, and what is left after regulation, is subject to short sighted greed for capital accumulation.

I have long accused companies of making money by happening to build and sell cars; rather than building and selling good cars and happening to make money at it in order to pay their people and keep their company growing.

(especially my own views on Subaru, which I used to love their products, and now have no practical interest in, as they have gotten much blander and more copy-cat appliance-like. But it is by no means isolated to Subaru.)

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > BoxerFanatic, troublesome iconoclast. 06/26/2015 at 16:54

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every sector. Did you hear about the Colt bankruptcy? Here’s the bit that slayed me: “one of the creditors listed was [something or other capitol] whom Colt had borrowed [some millions, 11, I think] and used the money to pay dividends to investors.”

hows that for short-sighted?

our views are a little different, but I think we agree in the majority ;)